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== Editing News #2—2018 ==

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Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?
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Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.  The page will probably open in the wikitext editor.

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Since the last newsletter, the [[mw:Editing|Editing Team]] has wrapped up most of their work on the [[mw:2017 wikitext editor|2017 wikitext editor]] and [[mw:VisualEditor/Diffs|the visual diff tool]].  The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices.  Their work board is available [[phab:project/view/3236/|in Phabricator]].  Their [[mw:Wikimedia Audiences/2018-19 Q2 Goals#Contributors|current priorities]] are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

=== Recent changes ===
*The Editing team has published an [[mw:Mobile editing using the visual editor report|initial report about mobile editing]].  
*The Editing team has begun a design study of visual editing on the mobile website.  New editors have trouble doing basic tasks on a smartphone, such as adding links to Wikipedia articles.  You can [[c:File:Visual Editor Heuristic - Results.pdf|read the report]].
*The Reading team is working on a [[mw:Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|separate mobile-based contributions project]].
*The 2006 wikitext editor is [[mw:Contributors/Projects/Removal of the 2006 wikitext editor|no longer supported]].  If you used [[:File:Edit toolbar - 2.png|that toolbar]], then you will no longer see any toolbar.  You may choose another editing tool in your [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|editing preferences]], [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|local gadgets]], or [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta features]].
*The Editing team described the history and status of [[mw:Extension:VisualEditor|VisualEditor]] in [[m:Wikimedia monthly activities meetings/2018-03|this recorded public presentation]] (starting at 29 minutes, 30 seconds).
*The Language team released [[mw:Content translation/V2|a new version of Content Translation]] (CX2) last month, on [[foundationsite:2018/09/30/international-translation-day/|International Translation Day]]. It integrates the visual editor to support templates, tables, and images.  It also produces better wikitext when the translated article is published. [https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/09/30/content-translation-version-two/]

=== Let's work together ===
* The Editing team wants to improve visual editing on the mobile website.  <mark>Please read [[mw:Visual-based mobile editing/Ideas/October 2018|their ideas]] and tell the team what you think would help editors who use the mobile site.</mark>  
*The [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019|Community Wishlist Survey]] begins next week.
*If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the [[mail:translators-l|Translators mailing list]] or [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elitre_(WMF)&action=edit&section=new contact us] directly. We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation. {{int:Feedback-thanks-title}}

—[[mw:User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[mw:User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]])
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== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Tech News: 2018-45]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/45|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* You can now use [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:TemplateWizard|TemplateWizard]] to edit templates. This works only with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:WikiEditor|2010 wikitext editor]] and not in the visual editor or the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2017 wikitext editor|2017 wikitext editor]]. If you click on [[File:OOjs UI icon puzzle-ltr.svg|17px|link=|Puzzle icon]] you can enter the information in a pop-up. You can turn on TemplateWizard in your beta feature preferences. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T202545] 

'''Changes later this week'''
* You can choose to see edit conflicts in a two-column view. This is a beta feature. You can find it in your preferences. The interface for the two-column edit conflict will change. You can [[:m:WMDE Technical Wishes/Edit Conflicts#Solution: Solving edit conflicts line by line (new beta feature)|read more]].
* When you edit with the visual editor you can use the "Automatic" citation tab. This helps you generate citations. You will now be able to write plain text citations or the title of a journal article or a book in this tab. This will search the [[:w:en:Crossref|Crossref]] and [[:w:en:WorldCat|WorldCat]] databases and add the top result. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198567]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/wmf.3|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 November. It will be on all wikis from 8 November ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181107T15 7 November at 16:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

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</div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W45"/> 5 November 2018 17.29 (UTC)
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== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Tech News: 2018-46]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/46|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* Some old mobile browsers can use the watchlist again. This has not worked for a while. These browsers are called [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Compatibility#Basic (Grade_C)|grade C browsers]]. This helps for example Windows Phone 8.1 with Internet Explorer and Lumia 535 with Windows 10. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196893]

'''Problems'''
* You can choose to see edit conflicts in a two-column view. This is a beta feature. You can find it in your preferences. Users who use this view saw the edit conflict resolution page when they wanted to see a preview. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T208840][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209012][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209036]

'''Changes later this week'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/wmf.4|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 November. It will be on all wikis from 15 November ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181114T15 14 November at 15:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* You can use the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Content translation|content translation]] tool to translate articles. The developers are working on [[mw:Content translation/V2|a new version]]. One of the changes will be a maintenance category. Articles where users add a lot of text from machine translation without changing it will be in that category. This is so the community can review it. The users will also have been warned before they publish the article that it has a lot of unchanged text from machine translations. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190798]

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</div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W46"/> 12 November 2018 19.22 (UTC)
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== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Tech News: 2018-47]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/47|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* You can vote on proposals in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2019|Community Wishlist Survey]]. The survey decides what the [[m:Community Tech|Community Tech team]] will work on. You can vote until 30 November.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] There is an [[:w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] for <code>sameAs</code> data. This is to make it easier to find the right information with a search engine. This changes the [[:w:en:Metadata|metadata]] for a wiki page. It doesn't change how the page looks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209306]

'''Changes later this week'''
* There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181121T15 21 November at 15:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* The Wikimedia wikis use templates to show readers there are problems with the content on some pages. For example if there are no sources or the page needs to be rewritten. The mobile website will soon show more information when you use these templates. Some templates may need to be updated.  [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-November/091113.html]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Education Program|Education Program extension]] was removed from all Wikimedia projects. The [[:w:en:Table (database)|database tables]] used by the extension will be archived. This will happen in a month. If you want the information on your wiki you should move it to a normal wiki page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174802]

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== Infobox ==

Halo, Selamat Malam. Saya mau tanya saya mau membuat artikel terus mau saya kasih infobox, tapi kok templat ini jadinya nggak sama yang kayak di bahasa inggris ya, ini cuma contoh.
Terima kasih -- [[Pengguna:Dimas Laksani|Dimas Laksani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Dimas Laksani|bicara]]) 20 November 2018 14.40 (UTC)
: {{ping|Dimas Laksani}} Karena templatnya belum ada di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia. Karena sekarang sudah saya buatkan, maka templat tersebut sudah tidak menampilkan galat/kesalahan lagi seperti sebelumnya. Salam. -- [[Pengguna:Bagas Chrisara|Bagas Chrisara]] (bicara) 20 November 2018 15.40 (UTC)

== Templat convert rusak lagi ==
Minta tolong dong @[[Pengguna:Bennylin|Bennylin]] @[[Pengguna:Bagas Chrisara|Bagas Chrisara]]. Templat convert rusak lagi. Kalau diinput <nowiki>{{Convert|8|km2}}</nowiki> bakal keluar {{Convert|8|km2}}. [https://wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=Istimewa%3APencarian&search=pkiloersegi&go=Lanjut Dan dampaknya cukup besar]. Saya nggak tahu errornya di mana. [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 21 November 2018 17.05 (UTC)
:{{ping|Mimihitam}} Setelah melihat [[:en:Template:Convert/Transwiki guide/translate|panduan dari WPEN]], rupanya ada sedikit kekeliruan.
::{{small|''Module:Convert/data must not be changed because it is generated by running a script which reads the data from a master list of units. See below.<br/>The messages in Module:Convert/text should be translated.''}}
:[[Modul:Convert/data]] seharusnya tidak diterjemahkan, melainkan [[Modul:Convert/text]]. Saran saya modul Convert/data ini kita kembalikan sesuai versi bahasa Inggrisnya dulu, tidak perlu diterjemahkan ke bahasa Indonesia karena nanti bisa terjadi galat. Modul Convert/text yang seharusnya kita alihbahasakan. -- [[Pengguna:Bagas Chrisara|Bagas Chrisara]] (bicara) 21 November 2018 18.27 (UTC)
Setuju, mungkin untuk sementara dikembalikan dulu saja. <s>Ngomong2 templat ini dari dulu selalu bermasalah. Coba lihat ini: {{Convert|80000|km2}}. Tapi kalau tanda ";"nya diubah nanti akan terjadi kesalahan massal lagi di mana 8,340 kg berubah jadi 8340 kg</s> [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 21 November 2018 18.33 (UTC)
:Setelah baca panduan yang sama dengan lebih teliti, rupanya modul utamanya ([[Modul:Convert]]) pun, sebaiknya tidak diterjemahkan.
::{{small|Nothing in Module:Convert needs to be changed.}}
:Modul seperti ini memang bisa bikin repot kalau ada kekeliruan sedikit saja. Sepertinya memang penggunaan templat/modul ini dihindari dulu sampai [[Modul:Convert/text]] versi Indonesianya siap. -- [[Pengguna:Bagas Chrisara|Bagas Chrisara]] (bicara) 21 November 2018 18.47 (UTC)
Makanya kemarin saya sempat mengusulkan agar ada bot yang mengganti semua templat convert di artikel2 yang sudah ada menjadi input manual, dan lalu mungkin templatnya dijadikan draft dulu sampai dari segi teknis sudah siap untuk dipakai. Sekarang ada puluhan ribu artikel yang pakai templat itu, dan kemarin benar2 kacau sampai saya lihat ada yang salin tempel informasi dari Wikipedia ke blog kalau "berat otak hewan ini 530 kg". Mungkin untuk ke depannya, kalau bisa dibuat sederhana, tidak perlu dibuat templat dan modul aneh2, akibatnya jadi begini. [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 21 November 2018 18.58 (UTC)
::@[[Pengguna:Bagas Chrisara|Bagas Chrisara]] saya sudah kembalikan modul Convert/data dan modul:convert seperti versi Inggrisnya, bugnya langsung hilang, dan kalau yang diterjemahkan hanya bagian "kilometer persegi" saja, bugnya langsung muncul lagi, jadi sepertinya memang ada yang salah di sini. Tapi akibatnya sekarang yang keluar jadi "square kilometer". Butuh bantuan @[[Pengguna:Farras|Farras]]. [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 22 November 2018 09.22 (UTC)
::Ngomong2 saya baru berhasil memperbaiki masalah "8;000". Ternyata ada solusi yang lebih sederhana, numsepnya tinggal dikosongkan saja. Saya merasa bodoh karena tidak terpikirkan.
::Jadi untuk problem ketidakakuratan sepertinya sudah beres, tapi saya masih butuh bantuan supaya galat "pkiloersegi" tidak muncul lagi, tetapi pada saat yang sama satuan2nya juga tetap perlu diterjemahkan.

::Kinerja templat convert saat ini:

::<nowiki>{{Convert|8,01231|km2}}</nowiki> jadi {{Convert|8,01231|km2}}

::<nowiki>{{Convert|8.01231|km2}}</nowiki> jadi {{Convert|8.01231|km2}}

::<nowiki>{{Convert|801231|km2}}</nowiki> jadi {{Convert|801231|km2}}

::Tinggal nama satuannya yang perlu dibereskan. Setelah itu semoga ini menjadi kali terakhirnya saya mengeluh soal galat dari templat ini. [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 22 November 2018 09.33 (UTC)

::: {{re|Bagas Chrisara}} {{re|Mimihitam}} {{re|Farras}} {{re|Bennylin}} Sudah diperbaiki. [[Pembicaraan Pengguna:JohnThorne|<font style="color:#006666;background:#FFFFCD;"> JohnThorne (Bicara) </font>]] 3 Desember 2018 20.02 (UTC)
{{{re|JohnThorne}}} Akhirnya! Terima kasih banyak! [[Pengguna:Mimihitam|'''<small><span style="background:#999999;color:#fff">&nbsp;Mimihitam&nbsp;</span></small>''']] 3 Desember 2018 20.12 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Tech News: 2018-48]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/48|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* On wikis with [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|translatable pages]] you could create a mess when you moved a page that had translatable subpages. A subpage is when you use <code>/</code> to create a new page: <code>/wiki/Page/Subpage</code>. The subpages would be moved but not the translations. The subpages are no longer automatically be moved. This is to make it safer to move pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114592]

'''Changes later this week'''
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:AdvancedSearch|advanced search interface]] will be available by default on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. It's already active on German, Farsi, Arabic and Hungarian Wikipedia. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193182]
* [[Special:UnusedCategories|Special:UnusedCategories]] show empty categories with no files or other categories. You can soon choose to not show soft redirect categories or some maintenance categories there. You can do this with the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words|magic word]] <code><nowiki>__EXPECTUNUSEDCATEGORY__</nowiki></code>. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96041]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/wmf.6|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 November. It will be on all wikis from 29 November ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.33/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181128T16 28 November at 16:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] The <code>mw.util.jsMessage()</code> function was deprecated in 2012. It will be removed next week. [[:w:en:Wikipedia:Reporting JavaScript errors|Look for the warning]] <code>Use of "mw.util.jsMessage" is deprecated</code> in the JavaScript console to know if you use an affected script or gadget. If you are a gadget maintainer you should check if your JavaScript code contains <code>mw.util.jsMessage</code>. There is a [[mw:ResourceLoader/Migration guide (users)#mw.util.jsMessage|migration guide]]. It explains how to use <code>mw.notify</code> instead. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193901]

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