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Artikel ini perlu disadur. [[Pengguna:Meursault2004|Meursault2004]] 00:16, 29 Des 2004 (UTC)
Artikel ini perlu disadur. [[Pengguna:Meursault2004|Meursault2004]] 00:16, 29 Des 2004 (UTC)
:Sepertinya bukan seperti artikel dalam wikipedia lainnya. Saya berencana mengubahnya seperti wikipedia inggris namun ingin menanya pendapat pengguna wikipedia lainnya supaya lebih [[tegas]] (bold). [[Pengguna:Roscoe x|Roscoe x]] 18:06, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Sepertinya bukan seperti artikel dalam wikipedia lainnya. Saya berencana mengubahnya seperti wikipedia inggris namun ingin menanya pendapat pengguna wikipedia lainnya supaya lebih [[tegas]] (bold). [[Pengguna:Roscoe x|Roscoe x]] 18:06, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Hemm... sesuatu yang didiskusikan secara sehat pada tahun 2005 dan didiskusikan secara emosional pada tahun 2008. Efek spiral keribuan akibat makin banyaknya orang di Wikipedia. [[Pengguna:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:26, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)
Hemm... sesuatu yang didiskusikan secara sehat pada tahun 2005 dan didiskusikan secara emosional pada tahun 2008. Efek spiral keribuan akibat makin banyaknya orang di Wikipedia. [[Pengguna:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:26, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)


Sesuai kata seseorang di Wikipedia ini di bagian artikel yang laen, resiko enslikopedi umum adalah 'siapapun boleh edit' dengan pandangan mereka masing2. {{tanpattd|125.163.72.133}}
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== Restrukturisasi ==

Artikel ini perlu restrukturisasi dan dipertegas arahnya. Dari judulnya, sebaiknya pengerjaan restrukturisasi dilakukan oleh pengguna yang beragama Kristen, atau siapa saja yang memiliki banyak referensi tentang Yesus dari sudut pandang Kekristenan. Karena di dalam bahasa Indonesia terdapat dua sebutan arus utama untuk figur ini, yaitu [[Yesus]] dan [[Isa]]. Meskipun kedua-duanya dimaksudkan untuk menjelaskan figur yang sama, tetapi figur Yesus lebih dipahami luas oleh orang Kristen (atau sekurang-kurangnya pembelajar Kekristenan), sedangkan figur Isa lebih dipahahami oleh Muslim (atau sekurang-kurangnya pembelajar Islam).

Usul yang saya ajukan adalah:
* Artikel ini menitikberatkan pada sudut pandang [[Kekristenan]].
* Sudut pandang Islam sudah ada wadahnya, yakni artikel [[Isa]], jadi pengembangan menurut sudut pandang Islam dapat ditulis di [[Isa|sana]], bukan di [[Yesus|sini]].
* Sudut pandang bukan Kristen dan bukan Islam ditulis secukupnya saja, bila dirasa perlu dapat dibuat lagi artikel lain yang membahasnya, misalnya [[Yesus menurut Agama X]], atau apa saja yang dirasa kontekstual.

[[Pengguna:Reindra|Reindra]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Reindra|bicara]]) 10:42, 4 Maret 2010 (UTC)
=== Usulan penghapusan ===
Saya usul kalimat di bagian pembuka ini:

:Di dalam Islam, Yesus (bahasa Arab: عيسى,Isa) disebut sebagai Isa Almasih yang berarti Yesus yang terpilih, sering juga disebut sebagai Isa bin Maryam yang berarti Yesus putera dari perawan Maria[1][2], pembawa Injil, dan pembuat keajaiban, ialah salah seorang nabi penting yang memiliki julukan Ulul Azmi karena kesabaran dan ketabahannya yang luar biasa, namun Islam tidak mengajarkan bahwa Yesus itu ilahi.

dihapus, karena kalimat serupa sudah ada di halaman [[Isa]].[[Pengguna:Ngawuraje|Ngawuraje]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Ngawuraje|bicara]]) 01:27, 27 Maret 2011 (UTC)

== Pengembalian? ==

Saya pikir [http://wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=Yesus&diff=next&oldid=4196151 pengembalian ini] '''tidak perlu''' dilakukan karena sudah dibicarakan dan cukup relevan dengan konteks artikel. -- [[User:IvanLanin|IvanLanin]] [[User Talk:IvanLanin|♫]] 00:47, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)
:Apa perlu didiskusikan? Coba saya hubungi "pelaku"-nya dulu. [[Pengguna:Kia 80|Kia 80]][[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Kia 80|<font style="color:#00a;background:#fff;"><small>:Þ</small></font>]] 02:26, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)
::Karna ybs. telah menyetujui, saya langsung eksekusi saja. [[Pengguna:Kia 80|Kia 80]][[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Kia 80|<font style="color:#00a;background:#fff;"><small>:Þ</small></font>]] 03:33, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)

== usul==
usul, artikel harus dilindungi... {{tanpattd|Yerrio darius raolika}}
:Saya rasa tidak perlu karena artikel ini sudah dilindungi dengan [[FlaggedRevs]], jadi suntingan oleh non-editor tidak akan langsung tertampil. <small><br />[[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Bennylin|&#x2712;]]</small> [[Pengguna:Bennylin|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">βέννγλιν</span>]] 05:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

==suntingan anon masuk 2x dipindahkan kesini==
dalam alkitab injil, menceritakan tentang kisah bagaimanan yesus disalip untuk menebus dosa manusia. tapi dalam alkitab Al-Qur'an. menceritakan bahwa yang disalib bukanlah yesus melainkan yudas yang wajahnya telah dirubah oleh Allah pada saat yudas masuk kedalam gua dimana yesus berada. sedangkan yesus sendiri telah diangkat oleh Allah kesurga sebelum yudas masuk. yudaspun tidak bisa menenukan yesus disana dan saat dia keluar dari gua tiba-tiba para prajurit menangkapnya karena mengira dia adalah yesus.

dari cerita ini, orang muslim menarik kesimpulan bahwa Allah tidak akan mungkin membiarkan orang-orang yang sangat dia sayangi disakiti oleh orang-orang kafir karena cinta Allah lebih besar dari cinta orang tua pada anaknya. selain itu, dari kisah ini dapat disimpulkan bahwa Allah ingin menghukum yudas dengan penderitaan yang mungkin akan yesus rasakan jika ia tertangkap. kuasa Allah maha besar dan tidak ada hal yang tidak bisa dilakukan oleh Allah, apalagi hanya sekadar merubah wajah manusia. jaman dahulu mungkin merubah wajah merupakan hal yang mustahil. tapi seiring berkembangnya zaman, manusiapun kini sudah bisa merubah wajah mereka sendiri.
:Tidak perlu dipindah, hapus saja langsung. <small><br />[[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Bennylin|&#x2712;]]</small> [[Pengguna:Bennylin|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">βέννγλιν</span>]] 00:00, 22 Mei 2011 (UTC)

(1). Salah jika Yesus tidak mengakui secara ekspilisit Tuhan. Silahkan baca Injil Yohanes 13:14: "Aku Tuhan dan Gurumu "

(2). Salah kalau ada yang mempertanyakan mengapa yesus sebagai Tuhan tidak lahir dinegeri politeis dan lahir serta turun kenabiannya dinegeri yang sudah monoteis. Sebab ada diramal ratusan tahun sebelumnya dalam kitab kitab perjanjian lama datangnya mesias, agar genap apa yang difirmankan oleh Allah
--[[Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/112.215.66.72|112.215.66.72]] 19 Mei 2015 17.29 (UTC)

== Perombakan total? ==

{{Ping|Ign christian}}: Retranslate dari en.wiki? [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#774477;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Bennylin</span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>「[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|omong]]」</small></sup> 30 Maret 2016 - 11:37 WIB
:{{ping|Bennylin}} saya baru sadar ada ping karena tidak menerima notifikasi dan artikel ini tidak masuk pantauan saya. Iya benar, ini diterjemahkan dari en.wiki. [[Pengguna:Ign christian|Ign christian]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Ign christian|bicara]]) 29 April 2016 08.09 (UTC)

== Pandangan bahwa Yesus adalah "murtad sundal" ==

"Kritik Yahudi seputar Yesus telah ada sejak dahulu. Talmud, yang ditulis dan disusun dari abad ke-3 hingga ke-5 M,<ref>{{cite encyclopedia | title=TALMUD | encyclopedia=Jewish Encyclopedia | accessdate=July 3, 2013 |url=http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14213-talmud}}</ref> memuat [[Yesus dalam Talmud|kisah-kisah]] yang sejak abad pertengahan telah dianggap sebagai laporan-laporan yang memfitnah Yesus.<ref>[https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_10113.html Jesus<!-- Judul yang dihasilkan bot -->]</ref> Dalam salah satu kisah, ''Yeshu ha-nozri'' ("Yesus orang Kristen"), seorang murtad sundal, dieksekusi oleh pengadilan tinggi Yahudi karena menyebarluaskan penyembahan berhala dan mempraktikkan sihir.<ref>{{cite book|title=A Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations |first1=Edward |last1=Kessler |first2= Neil |last2=Wenborn |year=2005 |publisher=Cambridge University Press |isbn=978-1-139-44750-8 |page=416 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QkI_JNv3rIwC&pg=PA416#v=onepage&q&f=false}}</ref>"
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<s>Adakah yang bisa memberi rujukan kalimat asli yang ada di referensi "A Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations" dalam bahasa Inggris (atau sumber bahasa lainnya). Mungkin @JohnThorne?</s> Per [[Pembicaraan:Isa#Tanggapan_Hafidh]], saya tidak menemukannya di sumber Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#442244;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Bennylin</span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>「[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|negosiasi]]」</small></sup> 6 Desember 2021 07.55 (WIB)

:{{ping|Ign christian}} yang menerjemahkan dari [[:en:Jesus#Jewish]] [https://wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=Yesus&diff=prev&oldid=11507569&diffmode=source]

"In one such story, Yeshu HaNozri ("Jesus the Nazarene"), a lewd apostate, is executed by the Jewish high court for spreading idolatry and practicing magic."
[https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=Jesus&diff=next&oldid=557174396] [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#777777;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Bennylin</span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>「[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|cakap]]」</small></sup> 6 Desember 2021 07.59 (WIB)

::Menjawab saya sendiri, berikut paragraf di halaman 416-417 buku tersebut:
{{quote|Explicit references in the Talmud to the figure of
Jesus are more detailed, and in some ways more
interesting. ‘Jesus the Christian’ (Yeshu ha-nozri) is
depicted as a pupil of Rabbi Joshua ben Perahyah
who was expelled by his master because of his
lewdness, and subsequently apostasied to idolatry
(b. Sotah 47a; b. Sanhedrin 107a). He was tried,
executed and hung on the eve of Passover by the
Jewish high court, for practising magic and lur-
ing the Jews into idolatry (b. Sanhedrin 43a). These
sources are defiant rather than apologetic: there
is no attempt, for example, to deny that the Jews
killed Jesus. However, it must be remembered that
the Talmud is addressed exclusively to a Jewish rab-
binic readership.It is difficult to relate these stories
to anything contained in the Gospels, the detailed
contents of which are ostensibly unknown to the
talmudic authors (save for one paraphrase of the
Sermon on the Mount, and a pun on the word
evangelion, in b.Shabbat 116a–b). Talmudic stories
about Jesus are certainly polemical (e.g. the gibe,in
coded language, on the virginity of Miriam/Mary:
b.Sanhedrin67a), but their source remains unclear;
they are more likely to represent later literary cre-
ations than the legacy of some early historical tra-
dition. These stories later formed the basis of the
medieval compilation '''Toledot Yeshu'''.}}

::Rujukannya: b. = [[:en:Babylonian Talmud]], [[:en:Sotah (Talmud)]] 47a (https://www.sefaria.org/Sotah.47a.12?lang=bi) dan [[:en:Sanhedrin (tractate)]] 107a [107b] (https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.107b.12?lang=bi), [[:en:Toledot Yeshu]] (https://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/toled.htm)

::Saya membaca kedua bagian Talmud tersebut (yang menceritakan cerita yang sama), dan di terjemahan Inggris dari bahasa Ibraninya, tidak ada kata "lewd" maupun "apostate". Di Toledot Yeshu juga tidak ada. Kemudian di Sanhedrin 43a (https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.43a.20?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en) disebutkan bahwa Yesus dieksekusi dengan dilempari batu (dirajam), baru setelah itu mayatnya digantung di salib pada hari Paskah Yahudi.

::Di kutipan di atas juga disebutkan bahwa "the Talmud is addressed exclusively to a Jewish rabbinic readership", kisah ini hanya dialamatkan (dibaca/diketahui) oleh para rabi, jadi bukan pandangan orang Yahudi pada umumnya, dan "Talmudic stories about Jesus are certainly polemical", "their source remains unclear" tidak diketahui sumber primernya (legenda? fiksi?)

::Kesimpulan saya: cerita Talmud yang dirujuk Ensiklopedia ''Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations'' dan kemudian masuk ke [[:en:Jesus#Jewish]] dan diterjemahkan ke [[Yesus#Yahudi]] dan disalin utuh ke [[Isa#Yahudi]] telah mengalami penambahan dan pengurangan (pemotongan/penyingkatan) yang mengubah maknanya, sehingga istilah "murtad sundal" merupakan penerjemahan yang tidak tepat (Ign christian) dari kesimpulan yang tidak pas (penyunting WPEN) dari ringkasan cerita (Dictionary) dari teks cerita (Talmud Sotah & Sanhedrin) yang tidak diketahui sumber aslinya, dan saya hapus dari [[Yesus#Yahudi]] dan [[Isa#Yahudi]]. [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#447744;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Bennylin</span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>「[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|rapat]]」</small></sup> 6 Desember 2021 08.51 (WIB)

== Permintaan penyuntingan halaman dilindungi sebagian pada 18 Agustus 2023 ==

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ubah 17 Agustus menjadi 25 Desember
18 Agustus 2023 05.49 (UTC)[[Pengguna:Tasia Han|Tasia Han]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Tasia Han|bicara]])
: Sudah diperbaiki. [[Pengguna:Ariandi Lie|Ariandi Lie]] <sup>[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Ariandi Lie|Diskusi disini saja]]</sup> 18 Agustus 2023 10.25 (UTC)

== External links found that need fixing (Oktober 2023) ==

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Revisi terkini sejak 14 Mei 2024 14.05

Artikel ini perlu disadur. Meursault2004 00:16, 29 Des 2004 (UTC)

Sepertinya bukan seperti artikel dalam wikipedia lainnya. Saya berencana mengubahnya seperti wikipedia inggris namun ingin menanya pendapat pengguna wikipedia lainnya supaya lebih tegas (bold). Roscoe x 18:06, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Silahkan, saya kira artikel dalam bahasa Inggris cukup bagus. Meursault2004 15:55, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dalam penyusunan Wikipedia ini, semua sudah bersepakat untuk berpandangan pada posisi netral. Kalau kita lihat di Wikipedia Inggris, isinya sangat bagus: informatif dan sangat lengkap. Begitu banyaknya artikel2 seperti ini (berisi ajaran Kristen, Islam, dll.) dalam Wikipedia memerlukan koreksi dan suntingan yang akang banyak menyita tenaga. Selamat bekerja keras! kandar 07:32, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Langsung aja kalo gitu--bagi bagi tugas. Kalo nggak ada komplain gimana kalo kita langsung kerjain bung Roscoe ? --Agustinus 10:14, 8 Desember 2005 (UTC)

Hemm... sesuatu yang didiskusikan secara sehat pada tahun 2005 dan didiskusikan secara emosional pada tahun 2008. Efek spiral keribuan akibat makin banyaknya orang di Wikipedia. Serenity 03:26, 13 Februari 2008 (UTC)

Sesuai kata seseorang di Wikipedia ini di bagian artikel yang laen, risiko enslikopedi umum adalah 'siapapun boleh edit' dengan pandangan mereka masing2. – komentar tanpa tanda tangan oleh 125.163.72.133 (bk).

Restrukturisasi

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Artikel ini perlu restrukturisasi dan dipertegas arahnya. Dari judulnya, sebaiknya pengerjaan restrukturisasi dilakukan oleh pengguna yang beragama Kristen, atau siapa saja yang memiliki banyak referensi tentang Yesus dari sudut pandang Kekristenan. Karena di dalam bahasa Indonesia terdapat dua sebutan arus utama untuk figur ini, yaitu Yesus dan Isa. Meskipun kedua-duanya dimaksudkan untuk menjelaskan figur yang sama, tetapi figur Yesus lebih dipahami luas oleh orang Kristen (atau sekurang-kurangnya pembelajar Kekristenan), sedangkan figur Isa lebih dipahahami oleh Muslim (atau sekurang-kurangnya pembelajar Islam).

Usul yang saya ajukan adalah:

  • Artikel ini menitikberatkan pada sudut pandang Kekristenan.
  • Sudut pandang Islam sudah ada wadahnya, yakni artikel Isa, jadi pengembangan menurut sudut pandang Islam dapat ditulis di sana, bukan di sini.
  • Sudut pandang bukan Kristen dan bukan Islam ditulis secukupnya saja, bila dirasa perlu dapat dibuat lagi artikel lain yang membahasnya, misalnya Yesus menurut Agama X, atau apa saja yang dirasa kontekstual.

Reindra (bicara) 10:42, 4 Maret 2010 (UTC)

Usulan penghapusan

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Saya usul kalimat di bagian pembuka ini:

Di dalam Islam, Yesus (bahasa Arab: عيسى,Isa) disebut sebagai Isa Almasih yang berarti Yesus yang terpilih, sering juga disebut sebagai Isa bin Maryam yang berarti Yesus putera dari perawan Maria[1][2], pembawa Injil, dan pembuat keajaiban, ialah salah seorang nabi penting yang memiliki julukan Ulul Azmi karena kesabaran dan ketabahannya yang luar biasa, namun Islam tidak mengajarkan bahwa Yesus itu ilahi.

dihapus, karena kalimat serupa sudah ada di halaman Isa.Ngawuraje (bicara) 01:27, 27 Maret 2011 (UTC)

Pengembalian?

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Saya pikir pengembalian ini tidak perlu dilakukan karena sudah dibicarakan dan cukup relevan dengan konteks artikel. -- IvanLanin 00:47, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)

Apa perlu didiskusikan? Coba saya hubungi "pelaku"-nya dulu. Kia 80 02:26, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)
Karna ybs. telah menyetujui, saya langsung eksekusi saja. Kia 80 03:33, 28 Maret 2011 (UTC)

usul, artikel harus dilindungi... – komentar tanpa tanda tangan oleh Yerrio darius raolika (bk).

Saya rasa tidak perlu karena artikel ini sudah dilindungi dengan FlaggedRevs, jadi suntingan oleh non-editor tidak akan langsung tertampil.
βέννγλιν 05:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

suntingan anon masuk 2x dipindahkan kesini

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dalam alkitab injil, menceritakan tentang kisah bagaimanan yesus disalip untuk menebus dosa manusia. tapi dalam alkitab Al-Qur'an. menceritakan bahwa yang disalib bukanlah yesus melainkan yudas yang wajahnya telah dirubah oleh Allah pada saat yudas masuk kedalam gua dimana yesus berada. sedangkan yesus sendiri telah diangkat oleh Allah kesurga sebelum yudas masuk. yudaspun tidak bisa menenukan yesus disana dan saat dia keluar dari gua tiba-tiba para prajurit menangkapnya karena mengira dia adalah yesus.

dari cerita ini, orang muslim menarik kesimpulan bahwa Allah tidak akan mungkin membiarkan orang-orang yang sangat dia sayangi disakiti oleh orang-orang kafir karena cinta Allah lebih besar dari cinta orang tua pada anaknya. selain itu, dari kisah ini dapat disimpulkan bahwa Allah ingin menghukum yudas dengan penderitaan yang mungkin akan yesus rasakan jika ia tertangkap. kuasa Allah maha besar dan tidak ada hal yang tidak bisa dilakukan oleh Allah, apalagi hanya sekadar merubah wajah manusia. jaman dahulu mungkin merubah wajah merupakan hal yang mustahil. tapi seiring berkembangnya zaman, manusiapun kini sudah bisa merubah wajah mereka sendiri.

Tidak perlu dipindah, hapus saja langsung.
βέννγλιν 00:00, 22 Mei 2011 (UTC)

(1). Salah jika Yesus tidak mengakui secara ekspilisit Tuhan. Silahkan baca Injil Yohanes 13:14: "Aku Tuhan dan Gurumu "

(2). Salah kalau ada yang mempertanyakan mengapa yesus sebagai Tuhan tidak lahir dinegeri politeis dan lahir serta turun kenabiannya dinegeri yang sudah monoteis. Sebab ada diramal ratusan tahun sebelumnya dalam kitab kitab perjanjian lama datangnya mesias, agar genap apa yang difirmankan oleh Allah --112.215.66.72 19 Mei 2015 17.29 (UTC)Balas

Perombakan total?

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@Ign christian:: Retranslate dari en.wiki? ꦱꦭꦩ꧀Bennylin omong 30 Maret 2016 - 11:37 WIB

@Bennylin: saya baru sadar ada ping karena tidak menerima notifikasi dan artikel ini tidak masuk pantauan saya. Iya benar, ini diterjemahkan dari en.wiki. Ign christian (bicara) 29 April 2016 08.09 (UTC)Balas

Pandangan bahwa Yesus adalah "murtad sundal"

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"Kritik Yahudi seputar Yesus telah ada sejak dahulu. Talmud, yang ditulis dan disusun dari abad ke-3 hingga ke-5 M,[1] memuat kisah-kisah yang sejak abad pertengahan telah dianggap sebagai laporan-laporan yang memfitnah Yesus.[2] Dalam salah satu kisah, Yeshu ha-nozri ("Yesus orang Kristen"), seorang murtad sundal, dieksekusi oleh pengadilan tinggi Yahudi karena menyebarluaskan penyembahan berhala dan mempraktikkan sihir.[3]"

  1. ^ "TALMUD". Jewish Encyclopedia. Diakses tanggal July 3, 2013. 
  2. ^ Jesus
  3. ^ Kessler, Edward; Wenborn, Neil (2005). A Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations. Cambridge University Press. hlm. 416. ISBN 978-1-139-44750-8. 

Adakah yang bisa memberi rujukan kalimat asli yang ada di referensi "A Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations" dalam bahasa Inggris (atau sumber bahasa lainnya). Mungkin @JohnThorne? Per Pembicaraan:Isa#Tanggapan_Hafidh, saya tidak menemukannya di sumber Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. ꦱꦭꦩ꧀Bennylin negosiasi 6 Desember 2021 07.55 (WIB)

@Ign christian: yang menerjemahkan dari en:Jesus#Jewish [1]

"In one such story, Yeshu HaNozri ("Jesus the Nazarene"), a lewd apostate, is executed by the Jewish high court for spreading idolatry and practicing magic." [2] ꦱꦭꦩ꧀Bennylin cakap 6 Desember 2021 07.59 (WIB)

Menjawab saya sendiri, berikut paragraf di halaman 416-417 buku tersebut:

Explicit references in the Talmud to the figure of

Jesus are more detailed, and in some ways more interesting. ‘Jesus the Christian’ (Yeshu ha-nozri) is depicted as a pupil of Rabbi Joshua ben Perahyah who was expelled by his master because of his lewdness, and subsequently apostasied to idolatry (b. Sotah 47a; b. Sanhedrin 107a). He was tried, executed and hung on the eve of Passover by the Jewish high court, for practising magic and lur- ing the Jews into idolatry (b. Sanhedrin 43a). These sources are defiant rather than apologetic: there is no attempt, for example, to deny that the Jews killed Jesus. However, it must be remembered that the Talmud is addressed exclusively to a Jewish rab- binic readership.It is difficult to relate these stories to anything contained in the Gospels, the detailed contents of which are ostensibly unknown to the talmudic authors (save for one paraphrase of the Sermon on the Mount, and a pun on the word evangelion, in b.Shabbat 116a–b). Talmudic stories about Jesus are certainly polemical (e.g. the gibe,in coded language, on the virginity of Miriam/Mary: b.Sanhedrin67a), but their source remains unclear; they are more likely to represent later literary cre- ations than the legacy of some early historical tra- dition. These stories later formed the basis of the

medieval compilation Toledot Yeshu.

Rujukannya: b. = en:Babylonian Talmud, en:Sotah (Talmud) 47a (https://www.sefaria.org/Sotah.47a.12?lang=bi) dan en:Sanhedrin (tractate) 107a [107b] (https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.107b.12?lang=bi), en:Toledot Yeshu (https://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/toled.htm)
Saya membaca kedua bagian Talmud tersebut (yang menceritakan cerita yang sama), dan di terjemahan Inggris dari bahasa Ibraninya, tidak ada kata "lewd" maupun "apostate". Di Toledot Yeshu juga tidak ada. Kemudian di Sanhedrin 43a (https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.43a.20?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en) disebutkan bahwa Yesus dieksekusi dengan dilempari batu (dirajam), baru setelah itu mayatnya digantung di salib pada hari Paskah Yahudi.
Di kutipan di atas juga disebutkan bahwa "the Talmud is addressed exclusively to a Jewish rabbinic readership", kisah ini hanya dialamatkan (dibaca/diketahui) oleh para rabi, jadi bukan pandangan orang Yahudi pada umumnya, dan "Talmudic stories about Jesus are certainly polemical", "their source remains unclear" tidak diketahui sumber primernya (legenda? fiksi?)
Kesimpulan saya: cerita Talmud yang dirujuk Ensiklopedia Dictionary of Jewish-Christian Relations dan kemudian masuk ke en:Jesus#Jewish dan diterjemahkan ke Yesus#Yahudi dan disalin utuh ke Isa#Yahudi telah mengalami penambahan dan pengurangan (pemotongan/penyingkatan) yang mengubah maknanya, sehingga istilah "murtad sundal" merupakan penerjemahan yang tidak tepat (Ign christian) dari kesimpulan yang tidak pas (penyunting WPEN) dari ringkasan cerita (Dictionary) dari teks cerita (Talmud Sotah & Sanhedrin) yang tidak diketahui sumber aslinya, dan saya hapus dari Yesus#Yahudi dan Isa#Yahudi. ꦱꦭꦩ꧀Bennylin rapat 6 Desember 2021 08.51 (WIB)

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