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Daftar invasi

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Komentar terbaru: 9 tahun yang lalu2 komentar1 orang dalam diskusi

Halo.. Saya membalikkan suntingan-suntingan Anda karena rasanya tidak ada yang salah dengan daftar tersebut. Jika Anda merasa keberatan dengan isi artikel tersebut mohon disampaikan di halaman pembicaraannya agar dapat didiskusikan dengan pengguna lainnya. Terima kasih atas pengertian dan kerjasamanya. Salam, Ign christian (bicara) 12 Oktober 2015 09.59 (UTC)Balas


Hanam190552 (bicara)Thank you so much, brother from the ASEAN but at the next time, please use English because I cannot speak Bahasa Indonesia.

Hanam190552 (bicara)Please reply me soon, Thank you

Hanam190552 (bicara)Oh yes, I know that we will have some disputes on some invasions relating to my country-Vietnam

Hanam190552 (bicara)Firstly, I think we should reach a consensus on the definition of INVASION.

Hanam190552 (bicara)In my opion, INVASION in the foreign relations means the incursion of an army for conquest by NATIONS of COUNTRIES. Therefore, INVASIONS only occurs between NATIONS. In current time, You cannot say that the Free Syrian Army is invading the Syria of Bashar al-Assad's regime. Or, You cannot say that "in the American Civil War, the United States invaded the Confederate States of America. Ofcourse, our war in Vietnam, my home is different to those two wars I have listed. Those two war are two civil war and the war in Vietnam is a war of ressitance.

Hanam190552 (bicara)The Democratic Republic of Vietnam is a constitutional government. After the August Revolution in Vietnam, the temporary government of Viet Minh was established. In January 1946, the DRV hosted the first general election in Vietnam to establish the government of the DRV and the 1st National Assembly of Viet Nam Kesalahan pengutipan: Tag <ref> harus ditutup oleh </ref>

Hanam190552 (bicara)As we see, the DRV, the ROV of the Viet Cong are different governments, not nations

Hanam190552 (bicara)In addition,

Hanam190552 (bicara)AGREEMENT ON THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES IN VIET-NAM, JULY 20, 1954, The Conference recognizes that the essential purpose of the agreement relating to Viet-Nam is to settle military questions with a view to ending hostilities and that the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary. The Conference expresses its conviction that the execution of the provisions set out in the present declaration and in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities creates the necessary basis for the achievement in the near future of a political settlement in Viet-Nam.[1]. Hanam190552 (bicara)Accrording to the Article 15(a) of the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam, signed in Paris and entered into force January 17, 1973., The military demarcation line between the two zones at the 17th parallel is only provisional and not a political or territorial boundary, as provided for in paragraph 6 of the Final Declaration of the 1954 Geneva Conference[2]. The Article 1 of the Paris Peace Accords also says that: "The United States and all other countries respect the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Viet-Nam as recognized by the 1954 Geneva Agreements on Viet-Nam".[3] Hanam190552 (bicara)Therefore, Repubic of Viet Nam, Viet Cong and Democratic Republic of Viet Nam are considered as goverments or regimes in Vietnam, not as countries or nations. So, there is not any invasion between North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Viet Nam) and South Vietnam (Repubic of Viet Nam and Viet Cong).

Hanam190552 (bicara)As we see, the DRV, the ROV of the Viet Cong, again, are different governments, not nations

Hanam190552 (bicara)Because they are not countries, how can we call their conflicts are invasions?

Hanam190552 (bicara)Secondly, I know the US has not offcially recognized that the US invaded Vietnam yet

Hanam190552 (bicara)I think you should watch these video for knowing our arguements https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ngg7LgONQ&list=RDv4ngg7LgONQ#t=68 (Eng Sub.) or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPY3XrYUXCE

Hanam190552 (bicara)The deployments of the US army in Viet Nam violated the UN Charter because the United Nations Security Council had not allowed the deployment of the US. Besides that, The deployments of the US army in Viet Nam did not be accepted by any governments in Viet Nam. The deployment of the US army violated articles in the AGREEMENT ON THE CESSATION OF HOSTILITIES IN VIET-NAM, JULY 20, 1954 of prohibiting foreign interfrence to Viet Nam.

Hanam190552 (bicara)I think our disputes come from disputes of documents. Perhaps You use American documents and I surely use official documents of Vietnam. I think you read distorted or manipulated documents of some people wanting to distort Vietnam's history. Now I want to repair misleading information on the Wikipedia. I wish you will cooperate with me. Thank you so much, my brother from the ASEAN

Hi.. While I'm trying to understand your feelings, what I can suggest is you should do edits on English Wikipedia first: en:List of invasions, and perharps specific articles related to your matter. Then I'll do my best to help translating in Indonesian. We strive to make edits as neutral as possible based on reliable sources. FYI, youtube can't be used as a source in Wikipedia, you should cite other sources which is reliable. Regards, Ign christian (bicara) 12 Oktober 2015 13.53 (UTC)Balas

Hanam190552 (bicara)Thank you so much

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